Talk:List of current champions in WWE
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Title
[edit]The title of this article should probably be changed. As it is it's using the proper name "WWE Champions" (as in WWE Championship), rather than "WWE champion" (referring to any titleholder in WWE). --MarcK 06:53, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
OVW?
[edit]What about OVW? It is more or less part of WWE... I am not saying that it should be included, just wondering what others think... --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 06:41, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
- It was like NXT and people didn't think that NXT was a third brand. 50.86.123.156 (talk) 19:34, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
Really?
[edit]Is it just me or is this article even necessary? Everything here can be found in the section on the WWE page, or it each titles' separate pages. It just seems like it doesn't need to exist. Virakhvar321 06:19, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
- It was created so that we'd have a main page for the topic and could turn all the championship lists into a featured topic. DrWarpMind 13:12, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
- I agree, this is a pointless page. But it's survived this long without me noticing it, so I guess continuing to ignore it won't hurt. InedibleHulk (talk) 12:35, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
Smackdown Titles
[edit]I dont think the date smackdown was taped should be taken as the start date of titlerun. For example, Khali won the title at the July 20 episode of Smackdown, so his run started on July 20. Should be the same with the ECW Championship. Diivoo 12:05, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
wwe.com title history
[edit]wwe.com has the annoucement of the vacacy of the title up but if you go to totile history and click the last istance of cenas name it still says spet 17 2006- nothing but yes i did see vince announce the vacany last night. what should we do?
- nvm it has been updated —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.128.74.254 (talk) 13:06, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
Question about changes during tapings
[edit]It has happened before, and I just wanted to be clear on this. If a championship changes during a taping but doesn't air until a few days, the day the title actually changed hands is noted. Of course, we have to wait until it airs on tv. But until it airs on TV, what happens to the chapionship reigns list? By this I mean, the person who is named as the current champion doesn't actually hold the title. Would the days he's had the title just stay how it is or would it increase and then go back down when the change is confirmed? Does this question make sense?--Lord Dagon (talk) 20:17, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
"Of course, we have to wait until it airs on tv." - It'd be real nice if this were true, and the idiots maintaining this page could refrain from spoilers. I mean, I get that the people maintaining Wikipedia are some of the weakest minds on the planet, but if they just use an eight year old's level of common sense that would be swell. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.15.41.218 (talk) 11:11, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
- No, Wikipedia doesn't avoid spoilers. Things are added when they actually happen, not when they air on TV. - Galatz גאליץשיחה Talk 12:15, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
Sources
[edit]I've added the {{onesource}} template to let you know that you need to improve the article - it's not intended as a put-down. The template derives from the Wikipedia:Verifiability policy. What this means is that you need to start referencing additional reliable sources (eg, from PWI or somesuch) - I know that you are all keen and eager to update this list as soon as possible after each title change but unless the content is verifiable from multiple sources at the time you add the change then the {{onesource}} tag must remain. RichyBoy (talk) 23:43, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
WWE Diva's Championship????
[edit]Should it be mentioned? it will be an official championship after Night of Champions. just write TBD in place of the champions name.
[1] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.157.164.124 (talk) 01:37, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
Current image
[edit]For those that don't want a picture of Edge with his old belt, there is this one. I prefer the Edge one, and I don't think it matters if we show his old belt or not, but the choice is there. -- Scorpion0422 03:31, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
World Tag Team Championship
[edit]Shouldn't It be placed in ECW? Miz And Morrison Are members of the WWE ECW Brand, so therefore, they should have the titles on the ECW section, as of they are not members of Raw, even though they won it from Raw Superstars, they carry the title to the ECW Brand. Ammccoy (talk) 22:54, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
I wholeheartedly agree with Ammcoy that is should be in the ECW section as the WWE.com has these two superstars as ECW athletes as shown here [2] and here [3] which in my mind is a perfect reason to place it in the ECW section. Cheers! Cheers dude (talk) 20:32, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
- Doesn't matter, the title is shared by Raw and ECW due to the talent exchange. SimonKSK 20:57, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
The title should be on ECW. Its been confirmed on WikiProject Professional wrestling, not to mention the fact that Edge is listed as a Smackdown champion. Ive Cena Nuff (talk) 22:20, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
- Actually, the general consensus at WP:PW is to leave it on Raw. The title has NEVER been confirmed as belonging to ECW, wheras WWE has made it clear that the WHC does belong to SmackDown. TJ Spyke 01:57, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
You claim the WWE has made it clear that the WHC does belong to SmackDown, but provide no evidence of that whatsoever. I believe you are right, because the WWE has put the WHC the smackdown page. But if that's the case, then it would be hard to explain why the tag titles are on the ecw page, and not the raw page. Ive Cena Nuff (talk) 19:39, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
- Clearly, the WHC is being defended as a part of the SmackDown brand (Edge/Big Show). The WTTT have never even touched ECW grounds.--Best, ₮RUCӨ 00:18, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
- That would be original research (WP:OR), while my statement is based on verifiable facts. I really don't see how anyone can dispute this. Ive Cena Nuff (talk) 19:02, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
- Ice Cena Nuff, right here: [4]. Near the bottom of the page it says "The most intriguing fact behind the mayhem, however, is that the 25th Anniversary of WrestleMania is a mere six weeks away and the two top titles in WWE now belong to the Friday night brand.". TJ Spyke 19:00, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
That isn't original research. You've gotten that rule messed up. He has a source.--WillC---Joe's gonna kill you!!!) 19:08, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
- Looks like we're all confused now. Wrestlinglover, I was referring to Truco giving original research, I did not see TJ Spyke's comments. But I don’t think my point is being made clear, I said that I do agree that the WHC is a Smackdown championship. It was part of my point, along with the sources I provided, that the tag titles are on ECW. Ive Cena Nuff (talk) 02:26, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
Official confirmation that the World Tag Team Championship is on ECW?
[edit]Click here for discussion at the pro wrestling wikiproject--Truco 01:28, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
Pictures???
[edit]I really don't think they are necessary in this table. They make it look ugly. And the one for the WWE Tag Team Championship only has Carlito anyway. I'm gonna remove it and if someone makes a legitimate suggestion to keep them, then we'll revert. ViRaKhVaR321 (talk) 05:00, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
- It doesn't matter how it looks. It matters what information it holds. All lists are supposed to have images. This way the champions are presented in a visual way.--WillC---Joe's gonna kill you!!!) 05:22, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
Removing brand headers in the table
[edit]Would anybody be opposed to this? At this point, and title is able to be defended on any brand. iMatthew : Chat 15:09, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
- Technically, since WWE still recognizes the WWE Brand Extension, the titles still "abide" to that regulation. Plus, the ECW Championship isn't really "tri-branded" nor is the Intercontinental Championship.--Truco 15:16, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
Unified WWE Tag Team Tittles
[edit]Should there be a note that states that the tittle can be defended on all the brands not just Smackdown.--68.97.98.73 (talk) 09:02, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
- Actually, why isn't there already a page for the Unified WWE Tag Team Championship? I mean, sure, there's currently two belts (WWE and World Tag Team Championships) worn by Primo & Carlito, but I think the World Tag Team Championship and WWE Tag Team Championship should be merged into a new page titled "Unified WWE Tag Team Championship". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.157.195.66 (talk) 18:10, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
I wouldnt go that far cause we dont know if this is going to stay this way or there going to make them sepreat titles down the road--Dcheagle (talk) 05:31, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
- The articles will not be merged. Would you also want the WCW Championship and the WWE Championship articles merged? Or the WCW Tag with the WWE World Tag? Maybe the ROH Pure Championship with the ROH World Championship. How about the TNA X Division Championship with the WWA International Cruiserweight Championship? Merging is only used if info from one article can be placed in another simply. Like merging List of TNA X Division reign lengths to List of TNA X Division Champions. Not merging two titles because they were unified when multiple titles around the word have. Should we also merge the entire history of WCW and ECW into the WWE article because they own them both? How about adding all the promotions WWE own: FCW, ECW, WCW, AWA, etc?--WillC 06:05, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
I have to ask Where did mergeing the articals come in to play here Ill i can see is some one asking why theres not a Unified Tag Team page.--Dcheagle (talk) 23:04, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
Miss Wrestlemania
[edit]Should Miss Wrestlemania be considered as a "championship"? MC Steel (talk) 09:41, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
The WWE Title
[edit]The WWE Championship is currently vacant. Batista was officially stripped of the Title on Tuesday. On ECW Tuesday night they announced a Fatal 4 Way Match for the vacant Title this coming Monday on the 3-For-All special with John Cena vs Triple H vs Randy Orton vs Big Show. WWE.com's Championship section still lists Batista as Champion because they never update that section when a Title is vacant. They only update it when a new Champion is crowned. Why is Batista still listed as WWE Champion on this page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by OSE2001 (talk • contribs) 19:37, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
- I've looked all over WWE.com and they still list Batista as champion. Even the announcement for the title match says "for the WWE championship", NOT "for the vacant WWE championship", indicating that they still consider Batista champion. -- Scorpion0422 19:49, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Days held
[edit]Would it be listcruft to have another column, or just in brackets after Date Won the number of days each champion has held. I personally often look to compare, but then I'm a bit stat obsessed so it could just be me. Tony2Times (talk) 18:01, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
- Article is already list cruft. It just list the champions, which is listed 14 other places. I say reformating it into an article about all championships that have been defended in WWE, but that is just me.--WillC 19:03, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
WWE Championship on both brands
[edit]WWE.com has the WWE Championship listed as being on both brands for refs look here WWE:Superstars so as such should we list the WWE championship on both brands.--Steam Iron 08:39, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
- Not only The WWE title continues to be referenced as a RAW title on the very page above mentioned, But Batista has mostly, of not only, appeared at RAW lately. His title should be either on "both brands" or only under RAW, who actually owns the title. 189.102.141.235 (talk) 17:38, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
- Since Batista won the title at Elimination Chamber, the title became SmackDown exclusive. If John Cena wins back the title at WrestleMania XXVI, it will go back to Raw. No need it to be on both Raw and SmackDown.--Yugiohmike2001 (talk) 17:54, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
- here lies the problem WWE.COM list the title as being on both brands.--Steam Iron 06:40, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
- Then, if the WWE site lists it as both brands, It is both brands. No ned to discuss it any longer. 189.102.100.152 (talk) 04:46, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
World Title Dual Brand?
[edit]The World Title remains a Smackdown Title and Swagger is now a Smackdown superstar and no longer a RAW superstar. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.229.27.97 (talk) 14:04, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
Cleanup!
[edit]The page has been vandalised. Can someone clean it up?--Yugiohmike2001 (talk) 18:14, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
- The page is fine just a few minor things here and there its easily fixed .--Steam Iron 19:41, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
FCW Championships
[edit]Florida Championship Wrestling is apart of WWE, as a developmental territory, right? I was thinking of putting in FCW's current champions on here. Should I do it?--Yugiohmike2001 (talk) 20:20, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
ring names
[edit]Is there any reason why a wrestler (eve torres) who has wrestled under her full name, should be referred to by anything other than her full name? カンチョーSennen Goroshi ! (talk) 16:10, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
- She won the Divas Championship as Eve. Do you also think Layla(full name Layla El) wrestles in her full name?--Mikeymike2001 (talk) 16:18, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
- I don't agree, but since your edit summary explained your reasons for reverting, while not agreeing, I do consider your reasons to be valid. Not worth an edit war. カンチョーSennen Goroshi ! (talk) 16:34, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
- For future reference, look on WWE.com. They have her on there as Eve, while the announcers call her Eve Torres.--Mikeymike2001 (talk) 16:51, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
- I don't agree, but since your edit summary explained your reasons for reverting, while not agreeing, I do consider your reasons to be valid. Not worth an edit war. カンチョーSennen Goroshi ! (talk) 16:34, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
Million Dollar Championship
[edit]Okay, it's not an official championship, but I think it should be noted as championship and beneath it there should be a footnote saying that it isn't officialy recognised championship. --MBibovski (talk) 14:36, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
Images replacement
[edit]You couldn't see the wrestler's face really well on the old pictures, plus I added pictures of the belts under the championship name, I think it looks better like that, only the WWE Tag Team Championship has an image of the old belt, it needs to be replaced with the new bronze belt, someone should upload a picture of the new bronze tag team belt and put it there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MBibovski (talk • contribs) 15:36, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
the corre
[edit]why does the corre say their reign is one? they both won it in 2010 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.3.102.174 (talk) 12:21, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
United States championship
[edit]Sheamus got drafted to Smackdown!, so the US title is a Smackdown! title now, stop moving it to RAW please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MBibovski (talk • contribs) 18:27, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
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VANDALISM[edit]help some changed all champions inculdeing made Zack Ryder the world heavyweight champion Wweguy213
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one thing missing
[edit]doesnt the internet championship that zack ryder has count as a championship and should be put in this? 99.47.234.129 (talk) 19:21, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
- I suppose it's a championship, but WWE.com doesn't list him under 'Champions', nor do they have the Internet Championship under 'Titles'. I believe the title was only mentioned on WWE TV once or twice and hasn't been defended on TV. So my two cents is 'no'. InFlamester20 (talk) 19:35, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
Add NXT Championship?
[edit]I've noticed that the NXT Championship has the WWE logo on the belt design. Does this make the championship and it's current holder Seth Rollins apart of this list?--Mikeymike2001 (talk) 22:40, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
- WWE lists both titles on WWE.com: http://www.wwe.com/shows/wwenxt AARDJ (talk) 15:05, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
- I don't see them there. More importantly, the do NOT list them here, which is the definitive list! oknazevad (talk) 15:10, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
- How could developmental wrestlers being listed on the main roster page? AARDJ (talk) 15:31, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
- Langston is listed, and he does not have the NXT title below his picture. They are NOT WWE titles. Period. oknazevad (talk) 16:38, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
- It looks like WWE NXT is coming back to the US in the fall of 2013. Should we now add both the NXT Championship and the NXT Tag Team Championship to the list or wait until the show's return to television? The reason because the show airs on Hulu.com Keith Okamoto (talk) 05:13, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
- They shouldn't be here at all, unless they're listed on the champions section of superstars page of wwe.com. Without that WWE doesn't recognize them as WWE titles, but as NXT titles (and that's not the same thing.) oknazevad (talk) 13:14, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
- It looks like WWE NXT is coming back to the US in the fall of 2013. Should we now add both the NXT Championship and the NXT Tag Team Championship to the list or wait until the show's return to television? The reason because the show airs on Hulu.com Keith Okamoto (talk) 05:13, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
- Langston is listed, and he does not have the NXT title below his picture. They are NOT WWE titles. Period. oknazevad (talk) 16:38, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
- How could developmental wrestlers being listed on the main roster page? AARDJ (talk) 15:31, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
- I don't see them there. More importantly, the do NOT list them here, which is the definitive list! oknazevad (talk) 15:10, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
Extreme Rules 2013: New Tag Team champions
[edit]Seth Rollins & Roman Reigns just defeated Team Hell No. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HarryPotter2875 (talk • contribs) 01:27, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
Excessive vandalism regarding Elimination Chamber 2015
[edit]I have put in a request for page protection as there has been excessive vandalism in regards to the current champion. Yes, we get it, you're angry at the main event finish, but that doesn't mean you can keep vandalizing the page to change reality to your preferred version. Zorro22551 (talk) 13:50, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
List of current champions in professional wrestling
[edit]I was thinking of joining all pages of current champions of wrestling companies, what do you think? Or create a page just for this? -- HunteWinchester123 (Discussão) — Preceding unsigned comment added by HunteWinchester123 (talk • contribs) 19:50, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
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Samoa Joe is the current NXT Champion not Austin Aries. Please correct and check all this page, it has a lot of mistakes. Thanks
27.2.128.112 (talk) 15:23, 15 July 2016 (UTC) Done. Just some vandalism that needed to be reverted. oknazevad (talk) 18:55, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
Brand Split
[edit]Should the titles on the main roster be separated by Raw and Smackdown championships? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:6000:5644:600:493D:307C:1B46:D0A1 (talk) 02:19, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
Smackdown?
[edit]What happened to the Smackdown section? Not great with tables, I'm afraid, not sure I'm the one to try and sort this out. 213.1.15.255 (talk) 12:41, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
Fixed, thanks for bringing this to everyones attention. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" Talk to me 12:57, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
205 Live
[edit]I have separated out 205 Live into their own section because WWE.com itself has put the cruiserweights into their own 205 Live section on the roster page.
Now there are a few who are listed under both Raw and 205 Live, but others listed under 205 Live exclusively, which is why I feel we can now list them as their own entity, since WWE has done the same.
Also, the crusiers frequently wrestle in NXT, so including NXT as part of the brands where the CW Title is defended is also correct and appropriate.
Vjmlhds (talk) 00:20, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
- I think it's time we revisit this issue. The CWs are never on Raw anymore, they have their own GM, and all of the individual CW bios on WWE.com have them listed as 205 Live. Yes, they are listed on the Raw roster on WWE.com, but so is John Cena (whose individual bio lists him as a free agent). Long story short, I think it's time 205 Live is listed as it's own brand, and the CW Title listed accordingly. Any thoughts? Vjmlhds (talk) 19:23, 12 May 2018 (UTC)~
- It definitely is a grey area but WWE does not really treat it like its own brand. If you look at the PPVs for example, they are Raw and SmackDown branded even though CWs wrestle there. - GalatzTalk 16:16, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
- To be fair, you may only get 1 CW match on a PPV (if that). It's just very apparent that since Enzo Amore was cut, Drake Maverick became GM (thus no longer under Kurt Angle's control) and HHH took over producing, that 205 Live has become it's own little world, and can't just be dumped in with Raw anymore - it's its own entity. Vjmlhds (talk) 18:49, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
- Do you have a WP:RS that refers to it as a brand not a show? - GalatzTalk 00:01, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
- To be fair, you may only get 1 CW match on a PPV (if that). It's just very apparent that since Enzo Amore was cut, Drake Maverick became GM (thus no longer under Kurt Angle's control) and HHH took over producing, that 205 Live has become it's own little world, and can't just be dumped in with Raw anymore - it's its own entity. Vjmlhds (talk) 18:49, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
- It definitely is a grey area but WWE does not really treat it like its own brand. If you look at the PPVs for example, they are Raw and SmackDown branded even though CWs wrestle there. - GalatzTalk 16:16, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
- I think it's time we revisit this issue. The CWs are never on Raw anymore, they have their own GM, and all of the individual CW bios on WWE.com have them listed as 205 Live. Yes, they are listed on the Raw roster on WWE.com, but so is John Cena (whose individual bio lists him as a free agent). Long story short, I think it's time 205 Live is listed as it's own brand, and the CW Title listed accordingly. Any thoughts? Vjmlhds (talk) 19:23, 12 May 2018 (UTC)~
I just think all added up, when you have your own GM, your own ring ropes, and your own championship, that you are a brand in and of yourself, and no longer just a part of another brand. And the post Enzo era of 205 Live is the epitome of that. Vjmlhds (talk) 04:44, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
- No. WWE never said it's his own brand like RAW and SmackDown. 205 Live doesn't appear during the co-branded PPVs (just SD and RAW). 205 Live doesn't appear during the Superstar ShakeUp. 205 Live is a program, the cruiserweight division is a RAW division, even with his own GM. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 10:33, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
- Most importantly, cruiserweights still four with the rest of the Raw brand roster on house shows. There's more to being a
touring rosterbrand than which TV show they appear on, even if the brands are named for their principal TV show. Remember calling them "brands" is itself a promotional term (a branding exercise, if you're given to puns) and logos and colors aren't the only aspect of which brand is which. oknazevad (talk) 21:02, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
- Most importantly, cruiserweights still four with the rest of the Raw brand roster on house shows. There's more to being a
NXT women's title
[edit]Asuka should still be listed as champion since it says on WWE "Her reign will officially end on the date that her historic announcement airs." - http://www.wwe.com/shows/wwenxt/article/asuka-relinquishes-nxt-womens-title -- 193.27.22.90 (talk) 08:24, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
GRR title
[edit]No one has provided a valid reason not to include it. Wikipedia policy is not that we mimic WWE.com. Therefore provide a VALID reason not to include it. - GalatzTalk 17:09, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
- If WWE doesn't include it with regular titles (which they do not) them for us to include it is pure original research. That's the failure of your edit warring to acknowledge. oknazevad (talk) 17:12, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
- That is untrue. What policy are you following to show that it must be on their superstar page? [5] clearly shows it as a current title, regardless of what the suprtstar page shows. That is in no way shape or form OR. What POLICY says that we should not include it here? - GalatzTalk 17:14, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
- Also Braun's page lists it under his name [6], just like tag team is under Hardy [7]. So thats two different places on WWE.com they list it. - GalatzTalk 17:19, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
- Yet there's no link on the superstars page. That's the point. WWE does not list Braun with the current champions on that page. So they, the definitive voice on who they themselves recognize, does not list it as a current championship! So why do we? oknazevad (talk) 17:22, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
- Wrong again, we cover things they dont recognize all the time. We just had an agreement to include Cole as an NXT Tag Team Champion despite WWE not recognizing it anymore. We show Flair holding WCW Championship 8 times rather than the 7 the WWE has. So no they are not the definitive source. But they do list him as a current champion. Perhaps they just haven't updated the coding on that page, we don't know. But he is clearly a current champion based on his page and the championship's page. What gives the superstar page more authority than those other two? - GalatzTalk 17:26, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
- @Oknazevad: Perhaps rather than edit warring you should address the questions posed to you? Please explain what you think give the Superstar page sole authority on what a current champion is. Please explain why that page cannot under any circumstances be wrong, yet we have gone against what the WWE officially says many times. Please explain why the counter on the championship's page on WWE.com keeps going up if its not current. - GalatzTalk 02:40, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
- Wrong again, we cover things they dont recognize all the time. We just had an agreement to include Cole as an NXT Tag Team Champion despite WWE not recognizing it anymore. We show Flair holding WCW Championship 8 times rather than the 7 the WWE has. So no they are not the definitive source. But they do list him as a current champion. Perhaps they just haven't updated the coding on that page, we don't know. But he is clearly a current champion based on his page and the championship's page. What gives the superstar page more authority than those other two? - GalatzTalk 17:26, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
- Yet there's no link on the superstars page. That's the point. WWE does not list Braun with the current champions on that page. So they, the definitive voice on who they themselves recognize, does not list it as a current championship! So why do we? oknazevad (talk) 17:22, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
- Also Braun's page lists it under his name [6], just like tag team is under Hardy [7]. So thats two different places on WWE.com they list it. - GalatzTalk 17:19, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
- That is untrue. What policy are you following to show that it must be on their superstar page? [5] clearly shows it as a current title, regardless of what the suprtstar page shows. That is in no way shape or form OR. What POLICY says that we should not include it here? - GalatzTalk 17:14, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
No such title exists. Braun Strowman got a trophy and a championship belt but doesn't make him champion. WWE also gives out championship belts to non-wrestlers. Once WWE talks about Braun being GRR champion or he is defending this thing (making it "active"), we could talk. Right now, there's no reason to include it. Str1977 (talk) 21:09, 2 May 2018 (UTC) PS. No we shouldn't parrot WWE but there is no reason to include it either. Str1977 (talk) 21:13, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
- There is absolutely zero reason to exclude this from the template or from this page. It is a WWE title being added to the corresponded WWE title navbox. Why is this even an issue other than people making it one? The title is listed in the title history for WWE championships and on his Superstar page therefore it's a title. Braun is listed as having been champion for 5 days and 3 hours, which would not be the case if it was just a fake title WWE gives out to baseball and football players. WWE doesn't list Matt Hardy as having been André the Giant Champion for x amount of days because that's not a title, but this is. They even showed Braun with the title in the promo stuff they did for Backlash. It's a new title, so what? That is not a valid excuse to remove it from the template/page. Your opinion on whether the title is valid or not is irrelevant. It's a WWE Championship, it has a page, therefore navbox.Goku4Star (talk) 01:02, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
- @Str1977: You say "No such title exists" yet there are photos of Braun holding it up all over the internet, are those fake? Did WWE fake the video? Did WWE just make up the page on the website? It clearly exists, to say it doesn't is a joke. You can argue certain aspects of its notability or inclusion, but you cannot argue that it doesn't exist. Come on, you even follow it up by saying he was given it, you just make yourself look foolish. - GalatzTalk 02:45, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
- "yet there are photos of Braun holding it up all over the internet" - unless one is a WWE shill, the thing he's holding up is a belt, not a title. (And "holding up a title" means something entirely different). Your complaining about a "joke" is in fact a (no pun intended) strawman argument. 04:25, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
- @Str1977: Nice try, clever way to try and manipulate words and deflect the fact that your points were disproven. Perhaps instead you should focus on actually addressing the issue? Perhaps you should bring forward a point that would give a reason for exclusion? I guess since you cannot bring one you dont have one, outside of your opinion, since you haven't brought forward anything else yet.
- It was you (assuming you're Galatz) who brought up that strawman argument. This is what I addressed. No more, no less.
- As for he actual issue - once that belt is defended by Braun, I will be convinced. Before that, it is just some website. Str1977 (talk) 12:52, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
- @Str1977: Nice try, clever way to try and manipulate words and deflect the fact that your points were disproven. Perhaps instead you should focus on actually addressing the issue? Perhaps you should bring forward a point that would give a reason for exclusion? I guess since you cannot bring one you dont have one, outside of your opinion, since you haven't brought forward anything else yet.
- "yet there are photos of Braun holding it up all over the internet" - unless one is a WWE shill, the thing he's holding up is a belt, not a title. (And "holding up a title" means something entirely different). Your complaining about a "joke" is in fact a (no pun intended) strawman argument. 04:25, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
- @Str1977: You say "No such title exists" yet there are photos of Braun holding it up all over the internet, are those fake? Did WWE fake the video? Did WWE just make up the page on the website? It clearly exists, to say it doesn't is a joke. You can argue certain aspects of its notability or inclusion, but you cannot argue that it doesn't exist. Come on, you even follow it up by saying he was given it, you just make yourself look foolish. - GalatzTalk 02:45, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
- The GRR Championship is like the Andre the Giant Trophy - a prize for winning that particular match - not a regular championship that is regularly defended, thus it doesn't count as part of any template or championship list. Vjmlhds (talk) 03:57, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
- That is not true though. WWE isn't counting how many days Matt Hardy has been the Andre the Giant winner, but they ARE counting the days Braun has been GRR champion. Where is your source that says it's not a legit title? Every official source indicates otherwise. Unless you have a source that says it's not a title (Which goes against WWE.com) and is just a trophy (Which again, goes against WWE.com) then it sounds like original research / your opinion to me. Also, where are you getting your facts that it will never be defended? WWE hasn't announced that. They're going back to Saudi in a few months, so who says it won't be defended in future GRR matches? You can't say that. It's a new title which we don't know much about. You're opinion is not more valid than the evidence that it IS a title. Goku4Star (talk) 05:08, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
- The GRR Championship is like the Andre the Giant Trophy - a prize for winning that particular match - not a regular championship that is regularly defended, thus it doesn't count as part of any template or championship list. Vjmlhds (talk) 03:57, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
- @Vjmlhds: You are basing that on absolutely nothing. Look at the landing page for the championship, which has a counter for how long it has been held. Show me where the Andre the Giant Trophy has a similar landing page. Clearly the WWE treats them differently. Does Matt Hardy have the trophy listed under his name like Braun does for the championship? Looks to me like they are completely different. - GalatzTalk 10:41, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
Galatz If you go to the WWE.com superstars page and see the champions roll call, they don't have Braun listed amongst the current champions. I never said the GRR Title wasn't a thing, just that it isn't in the same class as the regular championships, and more analogous to the Andre trophy, that's all. Vjmlhds (talk) 11:50, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
- That's what I've been saying! oknazevad (talk) 13:51, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
- Then we agree it's a title. Issue settled. Stop removing it. Goku4Star (talk) 16:30, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
- Um, no, I was agreeing with Vjmlhds that it should be omitted.
- Here's the plain truth: Once an addition has been reverted, those seeking to add it must gain consensus. Not those who disagree with the addition. There is no need to get consensus to remove something that's addition has been disputed. The default is that it is not included. So stop adding something that has no consensus. That will lead to a block. oknazevad (talk) 17:19, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
- "I never said the GRR Title wasn't a thing"' - Vjmlhds
- We dont need consensus to add a WWE title to a template for WWE titles. You are the one that needs to convince everyone why your opinion should dictate otherwise. Why do you have more authority than WWE? It is literally a Championship belt and the WWE has stated this numerous times. It is literally active (WWE is counting the days Braun has been champion), it is literally on Monday Night Raw (Braun's on Raw FYI). You have not provided one valid reason it should be excluded other than you don't think its valid. Your opinion is that its not in the same class as other titles. But the thing is that doesnt matter. I don't think the ECW title was in the same class as the WWE title or the Big Gold Belt, but it's still a World Championship. That's the biggest difference here. Facts that it is a title (according to WWE.com), versus opinions that it's not.
- I don't understand why you're making this an issue. Why do you just want to argue. Goku4Star (talk) 19:36, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
- Then we agree it's a title. Issue settled. Stop removing it. Goku4Star (talk) 16:30, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
- Regardless of which side of the issues one falls, there are many things wrong with your last comment, Goku4Star,
- "We dont need consensus to add a WWE title to a template for WWE titles." -- Yes. we do. WP runs on consensus.
- "You are the one that needs to convince everyone why your opinion should dictate otherwise. Why do you have more authority than WWE?" - If he was claiming special authority, that might be right. But I don't see Vjmlhds making such claims. He supports his opinion just like you do.
- "It is literally a Championship belt" - nobody denied that it is such. The question is: does it represent a title or is it merely a trophy for winning the GRR.
- "and the WWE has stated this numerous times." - where actually are these numerous times. Thus far, all you present was evidence from their website, not from the office or - which comes closest - a TV show itself.
- "It is literally active (WWE is counting the days Braun has been champion)" - their website is doing that. I agree that this is evidence for your case but it's not the same as WWE saying that itself. It might be that this "title" will be defended someday (probably in Saudi Arabia) but we don't know that yet. A title that is not defended is not a title (and that's the difference to Rumble/Battle Royal wins: you don't defend them, you keep them forever).
- "it is literally on Monday Night Raw (Braun's on Raw FYI)." - Braun is on RAW but when has he even worn that belt on Raw? He hasn't. Not during his illogical save of Roman Reigns, not when coming out to the match later. Maybe he will wear it next week? Or at Backlash? We just don't know!
- Str1977 (talk) 19:52, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
- "The question is: does it represent a title or is it merely a trophy for winning the GRR." - It's a title. Literally. Braun also got a Trophy, but that irrelevant to this. It if it was just a trophy, WWE wouldn't be counting his days as champion. Just as they are not counting Matt Hardy's days as the Andre trophy winner. That shows the clear difference between the two. That one is a title, and the other a trophy. WWE counting the days he is champion, and also listing him as the first shows fairly clear evidence there will eventually be a second champion and that's it's not like an Andre win where it's just there forever. Now Braun didn't wear the title belt on RAW, but he was shown wearing the title in the Backlash match graphics they showed on RAW.
- I would also like to pose the question, if Vjmlhds compares it to the Andre trophy, and said Andre trophy is in the WWE titles template, explain to me why the GRR Title should be excluded entirely. Why would it not be a championship, nor an accomplishment? Goku4Star (talk) 20:09, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
- You said as much before and when you say "It's a title. Literally. Braun also got a Trophy", you are - in WWE corporate speak - confusing title with belt. Sure, it's a belt. The question is what that belt stands for. It is not WWE which is counting the days but their website. I would want to see that title defended or at least worn on a WWE show before I see it as a title.
- I don't know about Vjmlhds, but who is denying that the GRR win is an accomplishment? When Vjmlhds is comparing it to the Andre trophy he is explicitely acknowledging it as an accomplishment. And I agree. Str1977 (talk) 15:34, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
The issue still is that the superstar page is treated like it is the sole authority on this subject. However that make no sense under wikipedia policy. So can someone give one damn reason other than that not to include it?? If not, then it should be. - GalatzTalk 01:51, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
- I agree. There is no reason the title shouldn't be listed. It's an officially recognized title and is listed in the title history section of WWE.com. Not being on the Superstars page doesn't mean anything. MarioFan78 (talk) 04:25, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
- Being as no one has been able to provide a valid reason based on Wikipedia policy on this, I will add it back tonight. I believe giving 3 days to request an explanation is more than enough time.... - GalatzTalk 11:52, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
- That reason has been stated to you repeatedly. While that supposed GRR championship appears on WWE's website, as of today (right before Backlash) it has yet to appear on an WWE programme. (Video packages of the GRR don't count.) Braun has not worn it to any of his appearences or matches and there is no indication that he will defend it. Str1977 (talk) 15:45, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
- If Braun doesn't bring he belt with him to the ring tonight, then it's pretty obvious it's not a title. Even at non-title matches the champions carry the belt. We shall see. oknazevad (talk) 18:17, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
- @Str1977: So what? That does not make it not valid. It is called the Greatest Royal Rumble Championship. Wikipedia work by compiling information from multiple sources, just because one place does not have it, it does not mean it is not a valid championship.
- @Oknazevad: Sounds like you are attempting to draw your own conclusion, which is plain and simple WP:OR.
- Neither of you in any way are able to discredit the fact that it is treated like a championship on WWE.com regardless of its appearance with him on TV. When you look at [8] you will see Matt Hardy, who won the Andre Battle Royal last month, does not have that listed under his name, just the championship he holds. Just like under Braun's name here [9] it shows the championship. They are clearly treating the two championships the same, not the battle royals. When you go to the championship's page it is 8 days 21 hours right now [10] which clear means it is current as that keeps changing. What does the Andre trophy say on its landing page, oh wait they dont have one, because its treated differently. So again, I ask you to discredit the source, not just say one other source doesn't have it or draw your own conclusions. - GalatzTalk 18:33, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
- And you've been blatantly ignoring that fact that it is not treated like an equal championship by wwe.com, as it does not appear with the other championships in the roll call of champions. You have never given any remotely valid rebuttal to that fact. Plain and simply, that is the reason we treat it differently, because WWE treats it differently. Why don't you answer that one first? oknazevad (talk) 18:36, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
- Actually I did. MANY DAYS AGO in fact. Scroll up and you will see. But there is no way to know why they didn't include it, from an error or for other reasons. Maybe its a coding mistake? We do not know. But we do know they list it else where, in multiple other places. So that is why we go with the multiple other places, rather than the one place it is not. - GalatzTalk 19:00, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
- Also I notice you write "not treated like an equal championship". So what? Cruiserweight is not given the same attention on Raw as the Universal championship. Every single one is is treated different. The page is called "List of current and equal champions in WWE", so just because it isn't treated equal doesn't mean it isn't valid. By you even saying that, you are admitting it is a championship. - GalatzTalk 19:03, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
- I think that the idea of "equal championships" goes in the wrong direction, championships are not equal (though which title is superior might be quite subjective) - the issue is not one of quality judgement but whether such a title - and to be clear: I don't mean belt - actually exists.
- Thus far we have seen a green belt on the GRR event for the first and last time. Not even on that event has a supposed championship been even mentioned. Neither has it been mentioned on any WWE show, not even in passing. My question is: why should we acknowledge a supposed championship that is never mentioned. Str1977 (talk) 19:08, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
- Because the number of mentions something gets has nothing to do with the inclusion on this page. That is an argument for the AfD on that individual article. The sole question should be whether or not it is a current championship, nothing else matters for inclusion here, in the table. Yes those are valid arguments for notability of the article itself, but not for inclusion in this table. We need to focus on whether or not it is current. Judging by Braun's page and the championship's page, yes it is current. - GalatzTalk 19:15, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
- "The sole question should be whether or not it is a current championship" - No, the question is whether it is a championship at all. And the fact that it is never mentioned anywhere on WWE programmes is indicative that it doesn't exist. (There is no doubt that "it" is current", but it is more than doubtful that it is a championship.) Str1977 (talk) 19:55, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
- This page starts by saying
Title reigns are either determined by professional wrestling matches or are awarded to a wrestler, as a result of the culmination of various scripted storylines.
Sounds to me like its a title reign. It doesnt say they need to defend it or appear on TV with it. We have a source to support it. - GalatzTalk 20:45, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
- This page starts by saying
- "The sole question should be whether or not it is a current championship" - No, the question is whether it is a championship at all. And the fact that it is never mentioned anywhere on WWE programmes is indicative that it doesn't exist. (There is no doubt that "it" is current", but it is more than doubtful that it is a championship.) Str1977 (talk) 19:55, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
- Because the number of mentions something gets has nothing to do with the inclusion on this page. That is an argument for the AfD on that individual article. The sole question should be whether or not it is a current championship, nothing else matters for inclusion here, in the table. Yes those are valid arguments for notability of the article itself, but not for inclusion in this table. We need to focus on whether or not it is current. Judging by Braun's page and the championship's page, yes it is current. - GalatzTalk 19:15, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
- And you've been blatantly ignoring that fact that it is not treated like an equal championship by wwe.com, as it does not appear with the other championships in the roll call of champions. You have never given any remotely valid rebuttal to that fact. Plain and simply, that is the reason we treat it differently, because WWE treats it differently. Why don't you answer that one first? oknazevad (talk) 18:36, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
I'm at Backlash. Braun does not have any belt. The trophy is at ringside. He was announced as the "winner" of the GRR, not the "champion". It's not being treated as a regular title. Period. oknazevad (talk) 02:56, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
- And Cole announced him as the Greatest Royal Rumble Champion. What is your point? - GalatzTalk 13:12, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
- It is clearly a Championship title. I haven't seen one valid reason as to why it's not. The article is titled "List of current champions in WWE", per WWE.com Braun is very clearly listed as the GRR Champion, at 8 days and counting. Braun is the current GGR Champion, which makes him a current champion in WWE. There is absolutely no valid reason to exclude him. Goku4StarTalk 18:21, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
- Exactly, the problem is that it might be different than the other championships, which has no baring on this article. oknazevad stated right about that "It's not being treated as a regular title". Who cares if it is regular or not? We dont call this article "List of current regular champions in WWE". They are clearly admitting it is one, it clearly is current. There should be no discussion. - GalatzTalk 18:24, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
- Galatz, it's not about the "title" being different. It's about it not being a title at all. And your "clearly" couldn't be farther from the truth.
- Thus far the only indication that it is, is one single subpage on WWE.com.
- Having said that, I haven't yet watched Backlash. Right now we have Oknazevad saying that Braun was introduced as "winner", while you are saying he was introduced as "champion" - actually you only say that Cole called him champion on commentary (Cole doesn't announce anything - he's not a ring announcer). As per Cole and Michonoku Driver, that it doesn't matter much what Michael Cole says on commentary. No introduction as champion, no title belt - no champion!
- "I haven't seen one valid reason" - that's denial in the face of several reasons that those of a different opinion have provided you with, Goku4Star. You operating on the assumption that Braun is a champion and only see things in support of your reconceived idea.
- Str1977 (talk) 06:33, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
- "And Cole announced him as the Greatest Royal Rumble Champion." - That's not actually true. It was Corey Graves (but that doesn't make any difference) who said, voicing over scenes from the GRR, that Braun was "clutching the championship title and that beautiful trophy" - and "championship title" here is merely WWE newspeak for "belt" as you can clutch a physical object but not abstract like "title". Str1977 (talk) 06:45, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
- WWE.com lists him as the champion. End of story. Its a championship. - GalatzTalk 14:10, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
- ^ Goku4StarTalk 23:25, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
- You keep saying so but that doesn't make it right. No such title ever appears in WWE shows. Other end of story. Str1977 (talk) 06:45, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
- Also note that the belt actually doesn't contain any words, let alone "champion". Braun is no champion right now, he's battle royal winner. Str1977 (talk) 06:58, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
- Again so what? Why does it have to have to be on TV every week to be a championship. And going by the wording on the belt is just a ridiculous argument. The IC belt has the word heavyweight on it, better go change the article name. The WWE Championship says World Heavyweight on the belt, go change that one too. - GalatzTalk 13:48, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
- ^ Goku4StarTalk 23:25, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
- Exactly, the problem is that it might be different than the other championships, which has no baring on this article. oknazevad stated right about that "It's not being treated as a regular title". Who cares if it is regular or not? We dont call this article "List of current regular champions in WWE". They are clearly admitting it is one, it clearly is current. There should be no discussion. - GalatzTalk 18:24, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
- It is clearly a Championship title. I haven't seen one valid reason as to why it's not. The article is titled "List of current champions in WWE", per WWE.com Braun is very clearly listed as the GRR Champion, at 8 days and counting. Braun is the current GGR Champion, which makes him a current champion in WWE. There is absolutely no valid reason to exclude him. Goku4StarTalk 18:21, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
I never realized not having words on a title belt made it not count, lol. What a dumb argument. There really does not need to be debate on this. It's an officially recognized championship. End of story. Saying anything other than that is WP:OR. Goku4StarTalk 17:22, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
- Yup...and their bible, the Superstar page on WWE.com lists the UK championship as WWE not NXT, yet we include it as NXT here. - GalatzTalk 17:31, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
- And it doesn't list the GRR "title" at all, nor is Braun shown with the current champions. Still haven't refuted that. oknazevad (talk) 18:19, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
- You have selective reading? I have addressed it over and over again. Besides for that, IT DOES NOT MATTER. Articles are gathered based on information from multiple sources, not based entirely on one source. No refuting needed. We have another source to support it. - GalatzTalk 18:26, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
- You speak of multiple sources yet all your and Goku's case is based on a single source, WWE.com with its "days counted" for that supposed title. That's all you have. However, if that "title" really were one it would undoubtedly be presented on TV.
- As far as Goku4Staris concerned, he might want to stay clear of WP:NPA. Of course, writing on a belt matters. How else would you distinguish the WWE World Championship (even in its current, dumbed down version) belt from a mere piece of clothing? Str1977 (talk) 19:53, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
- Here you go, some more sources about the championship [11] [12] [13]. - GalatzTalk 20:12, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
- An inability to distinguish between a belt and a title (just because WWE has banned its employees from saying "belt") is not an argument.
- And are you serious about that third link? Then have fun with Fin Balur, Tribal H, Jay Styles and Shimos (though they are not on "Rao"), the Jeff Hardy defending the United state title Gander Mahal and the Blodgon Brothers defending the "Smack Down Tuck Team" championsship against the "Ossouz". After finishing with Brooke Lesnar against Roman Rains, you can again argue for Stroman having the "Cup and Belt Kingdom Championship" of the greatest Royal Rumble. Str1977 (talk) 11:32, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
- I never personally attacked you Str1977, lol. Where is your source that a Championship is only valid if it has letters on it? Besides it has 2 W's on it, lol. And here's another source from WWE.com saying it's a Championship: "Braun Strowman won the first-ever 50-Man Greatest Royal Rumble Match to become the Greatest Royal Rumble Champion" [14] Goku4StarTalk 23:15, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
- Goku, you said my argument was "dumb" (and not merely wrong, from your POV) and that comes pretty close. And that wasn't the first time.
- "Where is your source that a Championship is only valid if it has letters on it?" - There again is your assumption that it is a championship to begin with. For which you have no source apart from that day counter site on WWE.com. I'm saying you need something to distinguish it from a mere clothing accesory. The two Ws are the WWE logo. Doesn't make it a championship.
- "Become the Greatest Royal Rumble Champion" - the winners of the actual, real Royal Rumble are also sometimes called "Rumble Champions" - yet, you don't see Shinsuke or Asuka being listed here among the current champions. However, and maybe that's a way out of this deadlock: Why don't we add a section called "Tournament and other accomplishments" where we can list the current Royal Rumble winners (male and female), the GRR winner and, if WWE chooses to revive it, the current King of the Ring. They are after included the the navbox without being champions in the strict sense. Str1977 (talk) 11:31, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
- That identical section is on the main WWE page already. But that doesn't solve anything since it should belong in the champion category, not the accomplishments. Winning the GRR is an accomplishment, but being the champion and having the championship belt is not. The crux of the issue is that this is professional wrestling so the WWE can make it whatever they damn well please. One of the arguments for including Adam Cole in the NXT Tag Team Championship page was after the match he was announced at the champion. The same holds true here. - GalatzTalk 13:26, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
- Here you go, some more sources about the championship [11] [12] [13]. - GalatzTalk 20:12, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
- You have selective reading? I have addressed it over and over again. Besides for that, IT DOES NOT MATTER. Articles are gathered based on information from multiple sources, not based entirely on one source. No refuting needed. We have another source to support it. - GalatzTalk 18:26, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
- And it doesn't list the GRR "title" at all, nor is Braun shown with the current champions. Still haven't refuted that. oknazevad (talk) 18:19, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
"There again is your assumption that it is a championship to begin with" Except you're the only one assuming it's not. Meanwhile we have sources saying it is. Sources matter, opinions don't.
"the winners of the actual, real Royal Rumble are also sometimes called "Rumble Champions"" um, no. I have never once heard WWE call them Rumble champions before. They also don't list the days Asuka/Nakamura have been "Rumble Champion" because it's not a thing, but the GRR Championship IS. "Shinsuke Nakamura won the 2018 Men’s Royal Rumble Match" - [15] Tell me where it says Nakamura is the Rumble Champion? There is no argument that Braun Strowman is recognized as the GRR Champion and the winner of the first ever GRR. You clearly cannot listen to reason so I am opting out of this conversation because it's going no where. Let's just add it to the page. There are sources stating it's a Championship title, and zero sources stating otherwise. Goku4StarTalk 17:08, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
- I think the think to do at this point is to just request a neutral third party at WP:RFC to review the information and comment. - GalatzTalk 17:52, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
- Actually, I'm not assuming. I'm going by the evidence, or rather lack thereof, of such a championship existing on WWE shows. You are also assuming - contrary to the obvious facts - that I'm alone in that opinion as if you never discussed with other editors in this section.
- If you never heard the term "Rumble champion" than you are fortunate. However, it unfortunately exists. It is of course a misnomer, just like your GRR Champion Braun Strowman.
- Yes, this conversation is going nowhere. Obviously, you couldn't even take my suggestion at a compromise.
- And yes, being a champion is an accomplishment (at least theoretically). The crux is not that this is pro wrestling but to find out what it is that WWE "damn well please(s)". If you're citing Adam Cole's example, then I'm asking when Braun was announced champion? Not at GRR, where the announcement went "Here is the winner of the Greatest Royal Rumble match, Braun Strowman!" Str1977 (talk) 20:47, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
Well wikepidia has a page of list of greatest royal rumble champion so I agree they should add it Because it’s a Champion belt Infinite Kid (talk) 21:14, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
- Wikipedia has to be based on sources outside of Wikipedia. No such sources exist, no such championship exists. Hence such entries have no jusitication - neither here nor there. Str1977 (talk) 14:35, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
- And now that page that was the basis of the claim that it was an ongoing title is dead, redirecting to the list of titles. Seems like it really isn't a championship. oknazevad (talk) 15:55, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
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How days are counted
[edit]I wanted to add a section inquiring on the way this page, and the other lists of championship reigns, counts the days individuals have been champion. I've noticed that most of these pages, this one included, count both the first day and the current day, so both fence posts of a timeline, in the number of days. This adds an extra day to active reigns, which is against convention, in my opinion. Is there a reason why it works out this way and/or a way to correct this? DAndrewC (talk) 03:56, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
Becky Lynch's title date should be fixed. WrestleMania 35 was April 7 not 8. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.225.0.191 (talk) 20:19, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
- The end of the match happened after midnight on April 8, regardless of when the rest of the card started. oknazevad (talk) 21:17, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
WWE Yolo County Tag Team Championships
[edit]I think the WWE yolo county tag team championships should be included too! As heavy machinery are the current title holders! Jackie2003 (talk) 05:26, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
- As ridiculous as this comment actually is, the were not announced as new champions, so it was clearly a non-title match. - Galatz גאליץשיחה Talk 13:14, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
- Not only that, but an article was actually made.... --JDC808 ♫ 01:10, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
The Nxt And Nxt UK Championships
[edit]After McIntyre won the NXT Championship and it was considered a world title, does it apply to the other NXT and NXT UK titles? Jimmyy68 (talk) 01:39, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
- Given that the NXT Women's Champion and NXT Tag Team Champions are going head to head (to head) with their Raw and SD counterparts at Survivor Series, I'd say yes. Regarding the UK brand, I'd say no, as by design it's centered around a specific region. Vjmlhds (talk) 15:11, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
Open brand or unbranded
[edit]Simple question - which term is better?
Count me in for open. Vjmlhds (talk) 15:07, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
- Forget the terminology...not important. But the CW Title does belong in the "other" pile, as it isn't exclusive to NXT. Vjmlhds (talk) 16:55, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
- "Open brand" is made up and not analogous to "openweight" which is an actual term from combat sports.
- And one cannot call the NXT Cruiserweight Championship, which is explicitly branded with NXT, an unbranded title. 205 Live is a show, not a brand. Though frankly even WWE doesn't know the actual difference themselves, because frankly it is splitting hairs. I don't know why we spend so much time obsessing over something as in-universe as brands anyway; it's all WWE. It's not like someone moving from Raw to SmackDown is suddenly appearing in AEW or Impact. Kayfabe News put it best with this headline, "WWE executive leads “invasion” of WWE by WWE employees on WWE television". oknazevad (talk) 20:07, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
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Spelling error
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Under the NXT UK section, for Walter, it says "nemed", rather than "named". 194.28.124.52 (talk) 23:28, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
- Fixed –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 23:48, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
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Just to center Gronk's name under the 24/7 Championship section. NotScaredOfAVirus (talk) 02:59, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
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I want to update images of the article. Sweetgirl316 (talk) 13:50, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
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- Also, keep in mind that any images must be compatible with the Wikipedia image use policies. No screenshots from WWE programs. oknazevad (talk) 14:22, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
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The 24/7 champion holder ALBERNIVALLEYBULLDOGSBCHLFAN (talk) 02:33, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
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Since WWE now owns Evolve, should we add the championships to the page or should we wait until WWE use the championships in an official capacity?--Keith Okamoto (talk) 05:17, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
WWE Champion
[edit]The WWE Champion is actually Bobby Lashley he beat the miz tonight 5countclam (talk) 04:16, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
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And new nxt womens tag team champions Dakota Kai, Raquel Gonzalez ALBERNIVALLEYBULLDOGSBCHLFAN (talk) 04:03, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
- Been done. --JDC808 ♫ 17:32, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
Championship Photos
[edit]Just a suggestion, could we use the photos WWE takes of the Champion with the title on the white background as the picture for all the champions?
- No, because those are not freely licensed, and the requirements are that we can't use a non-free image if a free image could be substituted. A pic taken by a fan in the stands is a free one (presuming it's uploaded as such), and therefore needs to be used instead. oknazevad (talk) 15:05, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
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Women's Money in the Bank Winners:
[edit]• Carmella (2017) • Alexa Bliss (2018) • Bayley (2019) • Asuka (2020) • Nikki A.S.H. (2021) • Liv Morgan (2022) 49.145.39.234 (talk) 16:26, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
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Question
[edit]Is there a specific reason why Reigns' two titles are bracketed together but the Usos' two titles are shown separately......? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 14:34, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
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Want to be able to change the days that someone is champion Iamgeo1289 (talk) 05:14, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
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Better picture for Roman Reigns 2A02:C7C:E351:8300:8497:904:48B3:E960 (talk) 08:22, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
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Iamgeo1289 (talk) 09:39, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
This article has not been updated since the 15th November and therefore needs to be updated. The number of days held of each champion needs to be changed and I would love if I could be granted an edit request to update and edit this.
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Special Accomplishment
[edit]Hello guys,I have a suggestion.I think it would be really great if we add a seperate section for special accomplishments like, Royal Rumble, MITB, ATGMBR,etc. Just a suggestion.NILE WALKER (talk) 15:47, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
Correct photo
[edit]Seth Rollins is World Heavyweight Champion but the photo being used is Seth Rollins with the WWE Championship. 103.228.32.102 (talk) 03:52, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
- I changed to photo to a more recent one without a a title belt. It is better to have no title belt in the picture than to have the wrong one. oknazevad (talk) 05:09, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
Photograph
[edit]Sami Zayn is pictured with the Raw Tag Team Championship while in fact he is Intercontinental Champion. 103.228.32.102 (talk) 01:55, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
Add Red to Cody’s description
[edit]Cody won the title as a member of the Raw Brand You crab (talk) 03:25, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
Undisputed WWE Championship
[edit]Shouldn't we change the name of the "Undisputed WWE Universal Championship" to the "Undisputed WWE Championship" as thats what they are refering to Cody as both on television and in the Champions section of the website? NoahJCarlson (talk) 07:28, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
undefined reference
[edit]JDC808, in this edit, you added a footnote that expects a citation named "spoilers". But no such citation exists here, and that causes a referencing error for this article. Are you able to provide the needed reference to correct the error? -- mikeblas (talk) 19:11, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Mikeblas Fixed. Forgot to add the tag to the source earlier in the article. JDC808 ♫ 02:43, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- Looks good, thanks!!1! -- mikeblas (talk) 02:53, 11 October 2024 (UTC)